tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post1877977142191218019..comments2023-11-03T07:16:41.109-05:00Comments on ♥ Ssangchu Heaven [Joongbo Fever!]: [Video] Hyunjoong "Sunshine Again" For Asian Olympic Games OpeningSsangchu Heavenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06882091410667376189noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-16079556526012815082010-11-17T00:11:10.471-06:002010-11-17T00:11:10.471-06:00I love you all Joongboers! Were all here to suppor...I love you all Joongboers! Were all here to support our lovely couple!<br /><br />@fudge and snow: I don't know if it's fate or what, but it seems like the universe is conspiring to let them<br />cross paths or at least have connections from WGM. Apart from the Asian games, Buin wished BOF would be a big hit and we all know it was one. If either of them participate in London games, I'd at loss for words. Too much of a coincidence! Segyero!babypam_08noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-24648752398531955042010-11-15T18:43:17.256-06:002010-11-15T18:43:17.256-06:00thanks for the clarifications and mature discussio...thanks for the clarifications and mature discussions, Cecily and JJ.<br /><br />and those are good points about the disputed Perfect WGM post, Ssangchu Heaven. some things don't match up, especially regarding HJ's sincerity and honesty, but now i'll remember not to blame all of Perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-26939677798686200132010-11-14T09:53:25.942-06:002010-11-14T09:53:25.942-06:00wave to snow, we have the same thinking :) I just ...wave to snow, we have the same thinking :) I just post similar thing in soompi. joongboers do think alike he he<br /><br />I love all the joongboers either from this site or soompi. we are so mature and solve the prolems in very mature way and peaceful way. I am glad to be one of us. Seems like we do have lots of visitors from other fan groups and joongbo do exist that is why seems like we are a threat to their fandom :)<br /><br />piggy2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-54868104197902034512010-11-14T07:29:56.072-06:002010-11-14T07:29:56.072-06:00@Anon who asked about whether HB and her company m...@Anon who asked about whether HB and her company made HJ stayed on WGM ~ To be honest, none of us have that answer because none of us were involved in that process. However, I just want to point out that HB doesn't even have a company that manage her. Even though, STAY produces a lot of her music, she's more like an independent celeb who manage her own things. So right there is something fishy about that site's claim. <br /><br />And if somehow a PERFECT got the real info on that, I don't really see how it would benefit their beloved HJ to release that info to the public b/c it reflect rather badly on him, don't you think? Sure it shows that he's a nice guy who can't say no to a woman, but it also shows that he is a liar because if he really hates staying on that badly then how can he say things like " I feel like god sent you to me"? Especially when HJ kept on emphasized that the WGM HJ is the real HJ. No matter how they argue it, they can't get over the fact that they will have to call their beloved idol a "liar" to defend him.Ssangchudreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089441039622340919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-60134306002174647692010-11-14T07:23:12.578-06:002010-11-14T07:23:12.578-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ssangchudreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089441039622340919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-83177439743530566672010-11-14T06:31:25.142-06:002010-11-14T06:31:25.142-06:00@cecily: Thank u for your clarification.. I'm ...@cecily: Thank u for your clarification.. I'm glad there are some 'perfects' that also like Joongbo couple. If you didn't say about it, maybe we won't know about it. You are right that we can't just generalize everyone in one community to be the same..<br />Actually, I feel thankful for many vids and info about HJ that I get from perfects, coz this fanclub always give the most clear fancam of what HJ done or HJ's activities, and smtm I also can use it to spazzing, hehe^^<br /><br />Btw, I'm really glad that many of HJ HB conversations or stuffs in WGM directly or indirectly becomes true now.. like when she said BYJ name is lettuce sonata, now he is under KE or BYJ management. when he said abt Asian games, now he is singing for the opening ceremony in Asian Games, and many more that I can't mention one by one~snownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-61239893294244728232010-11-14T00:28:10.384-06:002010-11-14T00:28:10.384-06:00Happy Sunday to all. I love reading all the commen...Happy Sunday to all. I love reading all the comments. The debate ended in a mature way. Claps to those involved. ^^<br /><br />I am one of those who have the same thought as JJ (after i discovered the anti-WGM message posted on their webby). Thanks to JJ who brought this issue up and thanks to Cecily for clarifications.<br /><br />~xaxaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-40296193722817737812010-11-13T23:55:17.744-06:002010-11-13T23:55:17.744-06:00^^^ mandarin. Many people were telling me that his...^^^ mandarin. Many people were telling me that his pronunciation is actually quite good considering he doesn't know a lick of it and practice time was short XDD<br /><br />I think that when people think KHJ fan or HB fan they automatically think Perfect and Estella just cause those are the biggest/well known fanclubs of them and with bigger numbers, there will always be a chance of the stereotypical crazy fans... Even though there are fans of HJL who don't like HB and HB fans who don't like KHJ (anti JB)just remember there are many members who aren't like that at all and they have to deal with their own internal struggles~ So it's really great that they can openly express their love for JB on the many sites dedicated to uri lovely couple ^ ^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-14157716010257709252010-11-13T23:50:24.446-06:002010-11-13T23:50:24.446-06:00thanks cecily to clarify it. I totally agree that...thanks cecily to clarify it. I totally agree that there are different pp in every fan club. welcome to share your thoughts. i believed most of joongboers are very understanding. I am so glad that both of u and JJ are very understanding and solve the misunderstand in a mature manner :) <br /><br />I have a question and hope that u can help me out cecily. I didn't finish reading perfect notes about joongbo coz it's too long but is it true that HJ's manager said that HB and her company gave HJ a hard time and make him to stay? I just wondering how did they get all these called "inside news" or it's just whoever dislike HB said that. I don't believed what they said but i am just curious only. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-7063564317815850972010-11-13T23:18:56.648-06:002010-11-13T23:18:56.648-06:00Was HJ singing in mandarin or Korean? I couldn'...Was HJ singing in mandarin or Korean? I couldn't tellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-70518284180733708682010-11-13T21:56:59.232-06:002010-11-13T21:56:59.232-06:00@ SH, and here I was nervous that I'd be steal...@ SH, and here I was nervous that I'd be stealing your mod-thunder. Lol <3 ;) I've got stuff to send to you! But forgive me I'm not as coherent as can be, I'm sick. :( Only functioning in half-haze.Miss Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17060863881135808595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-30093057492792886312010-11-13T21:48:09.134-06:002010-11-13T21:48:09.134-06:00I agree!! @Anonymous, thank you, it was very well ...I agree!! @Anonymous, thank you, it was very well put! it brought a smile to my face :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-39880416788120461052010-11-13T21:42:05.333-06:002010-11-13T21:42:05.333-06:00Oh, ladies I want to give you all a big hug!~!! It...Oh, ladies I want to give you all a big hug!~!! It makes me happy disagreements can be easily fixed~! whew~ <br /><br />TO THE WORLD!!!<br />JOONGBO HWAITING!!!!!Ssangchu Heavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06882091410667376189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-18903928756862863612010-11-13T21:36:18.334-06:002010-11-13T21:36:18.334-06:00seriously, no one cares if you are a PERFECT, a Hy...seriously, no one cares if you are a PERFECT, a Hyunnie, a HB fan, PK-er, or a combo of the above. WHATEVER. just support HJ and HB if you want to, no need to get all up in arms about which territory you stand on. Just support the Sangchu couple, and there's no need for any disagreements on here. People from all over the world come to this site to support the Sangchu couple, and I for one am getting sick of all of these arguments. Just know who you are and what you believe in and there is no reason to get angry at each other if someone does not understand. PEACE out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-61647564400315287592010-11-13T21:28:19.145-06:002010-11-13T21:28:19.145-06:00which anonymous is cecily talking to?which anonymous is cecily talking to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-22544002374532307142010-11-13T20:22:29.361-06:002010-11-13T20:22:29.361-06:00We are the world, ONE WORLD..sometimes we're P...We are the world, ONE WORLD..sometimes we're PERFECT,sometimes not too perfect.People from different ideology can remain in peace if we have TENDER<CARE<LOVING...so cheer up everybody,no heart feeling..let LOVE our couple here and all people of the world.HIP HIP HOORAY!!SSANGCHU HEAVEN is for PEACE..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-20116678188035279472010-11-13T18:50:54.135-06:002010-11-13T18:50:54.135-06:00@fudgeorange, girl, you are suave....xDD@fudgeorange, girl, you are suave....xDDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-3719604130118631702010-11-13T16:40:43.868-06:002010-11-13T16:40:43.868-06:00@ Cecily, Thank you for taking the time to write s...@ Cecily, Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful reply and clearing up the mystery of what is a Perfect.<br /><br />I hope all will be well with you and I then, if we do cross paths here in SH, again. :)<br /><br />That old adage "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" is quiet true, and I completely agree.<br /><br />I've always thought it easier to thank a person for their thoughts rather than to immediately blast them...it only makes them kick up their defense mechanisms. This of course is heavily influenced by my background...<br /><br />Anyway, here's to Ssangcho Heaven! :)Miss Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17060863881135808595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-36843224818915056902010-11-13T16:28:12.293-06:002010-11-13T16:28:12.293-06:00@anonymous-Again, let me clarify that I am a Perfe...@anonymous-Again, let me clarify that I am a Perfect not just claiming to be one. It's really trying to have to say it over and over again. What do I get out of pretending to be one? <br /><br />Being a Perfect the number 1 requirement is to support KIm Hyun Joong. As a member of this fanclub you get first dibs on interview news, sighting, videos, and etc.<br /><br />Borrowing the "all koreans like kim chi" analogy again, yes Koreans eat kimchi but not all of them do. Most Perfects have a problem with Hwangbo but not all of them. Many of them feel that Hwangbo is too old for him and that she milked their relationship on WGM to revive her career. Like Meme's post earlier this month, many people have misunderstood her for an "idol groupie." She was linked with several popular idols afterall.<br /><br />You must understand there are always two sides to every story but many people don't stop to listen to both sides. They only listen to the side that they trust even though that might not always be accurate. So the Perfect fans feel as she was using him and therefore not good enough for him. And when you have articles that feed their hatred they tend to latch on. <br /><br />Perhaps it's because I have been there since the beginning and that's why I don't have an issue or because I have always been fond of the Shinhwa guys.<br /><br />I've been able to turn a few more Perfect who are on the fence about the joongie/hwangbo combo into fans due to this site. The last couple of posts and fan art has been nice. Thanks SSangchu Heaven and Meme for some really nice posts. I no longer feel like my effort has been in vain.<br /><br />However, I never felt the need to comment until just recently. It does not help the cause when there are nuetral Perfects who enjoy this site and are criticized without reason. Trolls? Immediately someone who left a hateful message was automatically labeled as a Perfect. I didn't feel that was particurly fair.<br /><br />You can alway catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Please remember that. <br /><br />I hoped I explained some of your quandaries. Please remember that not everyone is cut from the same cloth. SSangchu Heaven thank you for a wonderful site. Meme thank you very much for your recent posts they were very sincere. LVK your PS material may anger many Perfects but some of your work is saved on my desktop.cecilynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-76613630488575560912010-11-13T13:16:00.146-06:002010-11-13T13:16:00.146-06:00Let's just agree to disagree, but know that al...Let's just agree to disagree, but know that all of us are ONE IN JOONG-BO!!! I love you all :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-64114940835371412382010-11-13T11:38:17.434-06:002010-11-13T11:38:17.434-06:00@ Cecily, I hope you do explain the "Perfect&...@ Cecily, I hope you do explain the "Perfect's" creed or the premise of what makes this special delegation, as I've said, "a cut above". It would help demystify the group, but that's my take on things.<br /><br />And, likewise, thank you for: "And thank you for adjusting your comments in the future. I do appreciate that. I hope the rest of the readers understand that she didn't mean to be offensive." <~ this right here is Tolerance. Not the passive aggressive antipathy we so often find and answer with a snort and "whatever". It is a conscious addressing of the issue and conceding to the fact that the other person does not feel the same, yet is understanding enough to accept.<br /><br />@ Anonymous (x2--the both of you...) Thank you for expressing your dissatisfaction. And I stress again, that I shall adjust my future comments. However, I do want to give recognition that open conversations like this should be fostered to clear up misconceptions. I'm a willing candidate, even if I do get "hated" or "slammed" (not that anyone has done that--but just clarifying) if it's in the name of a good example and further's understanding.<br /><br />Point is: Here at Ssangcho, under the umbrella of Net Neutrality and the guidance of SH, Meme =p, and LvK, we are able to say and speak our minds. Hopefully people are able to receive it graciously, taking things with a grain of salt. We should not be "netizens" (the "nightmarish" cases of the lot) that jump down each other's throat, and before we react with "hot fingers", should ask for clarification first.<br /><br />This was my "knee jerk" reaction to the Hot Issue, a few posts back.<br /><br />Thank you,<br /><br />J.J.<br /><br />P.S. SH, forgive me for being forthright and "taking over". This is your show after all ;)Miss Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17060863881135808595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-44120453112399201262010-11-13T11:29:51.603-06:002010-11-13T11:29:51.603-06:00I'm curious about something though. The poster...I'm curious about something though. The poster who claimed to be a Perfect member can answer me..I would like to know if it's true that up until now, your fanclub still errmmm..."hates" (for lack of a better word) HB? If yes, WHY? I'm really confused. -_- I mean if WGM is an old issue already, why is it that the wrath seemed to live on?? I hope someone can clarify.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-40270857806900709802010-11-13T10:27:01.085-06:002010-11-13T10:27:01.085-06:00@j.j I did not leave the comment to find fault in ...@j.j I did not leave the comment to find fault in what you said but rather to clarify some of your beliefs. I don't believe you said it with a malicious intent. I think you just have some preconceived notions about Perfects. And thank you for adjusting your comments in the future. I do appreciate that. I hope the rest of the readers understand that she didn't mean to be offensive.<br /><br />@anonymous I am a Perfect and yes they can be very extreme and difficult but not all of them are the same in what they believe. It's like you're saying she's not Korean because she doesn't eat kim chi. <br /><br />@anonymous yes I have been following ss501 since the beginning and I support all the members together or separate. Though there only a small number of Perfects who do support joongie and hwangbo we do exist.Cecilynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-15307179883296367272010-11-13T09:09:11.501-06:002010-11-13T09:09:11.501-06:00^^^ On the other hand there are HJPerfect members ...^^^ On the other hand there are HJPerfect members before WGM started. This maybe why Cecily follow Joongbo even if she was a Perfect before the showAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7862967381163049026.post-78760378415276362502010-11-13T08:11:06.905-06:002010-11-13T08:11:06.905-06:00i don't think CECILY is from perfect and much ...i don't think CECILY is from perfect and much like joongbo because i've known from perfect that they don't want share their vids to joongboers site and all of them don't want our HB links to khj.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com